[POD OPTIONS] Pages vs Cost of printing my dilemnas

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[POD OPTIONS] Pages vs Cost of printing my dilemnas

Post by KIALea » Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:16 am

Hello, me again.

Sorry i keep wittering on about the same thing, but ive really hit a hurdle, and i believe its my lack of knowledge how it all works too that isnt helping. im trying to work this out so i can decide on the pages i can afford / make it worth printing vs list price customers will pay.

# My book, a cook book needs to be in full colour - pricey on CS per page.

# I've split it down to 70 pages to make £1 royalty per £8.99 book sold. Not great value for money to my readers either.

# In an ideal world id like no less than 100 pages (originally would of been 200) and ingramspark will charge me $3.80 per full colour book which i would look to self distribute and market.

# B&N have launched their POD service which i would make $3.23 per book on sold at $13 on a 100 page book, but i believe perhaps, as a UK cit i have to pay 30% tax on that too??

# Is there a POD service with ingramspark and if i use this can i market to the UK? does anyone know?

# Can i still publish POD via CS if i use other POD publishers? Is there a limit on how many i can go with?

:?: How best should i maximise the pages i can offer to my readers. Id prefer to offer 100 pages but with CS i would only make 0.31p. Should i just up my CS price and risk never selling anything, i don't really want less that £1 per book before taxes. Or should i Publish a smaller print book on CS cramming in more content to less pages?

:?: What would the normal font size for an 8x10 book does anyone know?

Sorry for all the Qs :shock: Pic of rough book workings and current font sizes. size 11.
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Re: [POD OPTIONS] Pages vs Cost of printing my dilemnas

Post by Seisa » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:14 am

It's absolutely possible to use multiple POD printers for the same book, provided you own the ISBN and you use the same physical characteristics (trim size, page count, interior color type) with all of them so that they're all producing the same book. And yes, IngramSpark is a POD printer, and they distribute to the UK (they also have a printing facility there, so you can get copies quicker and cheaper from them than from CS, who always prints author orders in the US). If you use CS in this mix, DO NOT at any point enable any EDC channels.

I'd leave B&N out of the mix. Unless something has changed, they'll only sell on their own site, which IS can reach.

A lot of us use both CS (for Amazon distribution only) and IS (for wider distribution) together.

(Lovely sample pages, BTW...) :D
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Re: [POD OPTIONS] Pages vs Cost of printing my dilemnas

Post by KIALea » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:13 am

Thanks Seisa, thats interesting.

i cannot see how IS works for POD, someone told me its not a POD feature its a send the books to a distribute type thing, and i cant see how i can get up the calculator for a POD royal price. :|

So do you think i should just suck it up and make 31p per book on CS and try to market distribute myself too?

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Post by Seisa » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:54 am

IS lists your book in the Ingram catalogue, the largest US book distributor (which is exactly what CS's EDC does, but using IS cuts out one layer of middleman, which means more in your pocket). They print books when they're ordered (printed on demand) just like CS.

You can find out how much revenue you'd receive using the calculator at https://myaccount.ingramspark.com/Porta ... 6ed49d941d.
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Re: [POD OPTIONS] Pages vs Cost of printing my dilemnas

Post by walton » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:09 am

I can't comment on the IS, distribution, etc. stuff.

I have hundreds of cookbooks. Yes, most have lots of color photos but . . .
Joy of Cooking
Mastering the Art of French Cooking
Silver Palette Cookbook
Maida Heater's Book of Great Deserts, Book of Great Chocolate Deserts
Cook's Illustrated
(magazine and cookbooks)

And there are books that have a few color plates, but otherwise are B&W (for recipe shots and instructions):
NYT Cookbook
The Cuisines of Mexico
(Diana Kennedy)
Vegetarian Cooking for Everyone (Debora Madison)

These are the big titles, but there are hundreds of great cookbooks, not well known, that are also entirely B&W.

If I were doing a cookbook, my first thought would be color, simply because that's what we've gotten used to. But my second thought would be B&W, and that would probably prevail.
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Post by tagrich » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:34 am

My whole feeling with colour is that although it looks great, if you want to see a reasonable profit, royalty-wise, it's going to be difficult to achieve that goal if you don't increase your cover price. Obviously it all depends on your aims as far as indie publishing goes. If you're doing it for a little extra pocket money every month, turning over a small profit is probably fine. If on the other hand you want to make writing/publishing your main source of income, colour publications aren't really conducive to achieving that goal unless you're selling truckloads of books every month. I'm no expert in the cookery genre, but I'd imagine that's a big ask in such a crowded market.

Your other angle could focus on your current book and future titles pertaining to your local area. That way, local shops might well stock the book. I know that's what happens in our area. Something else you could think about is doing away with photographs altogether and formatting your book like a traditional recipe book, possibly with a few nice pencil or pen illustrations. Not everything has to be large in-your-face glossy photos. Taking a slightly different tack might create more interest.

In my own case of Cabot Books, I write and publish titles on chord and music theory for fretted and keyboard instruments. I don't use any colour other than the cover designs. This allows me to turn over a nice profit on each book. For instance, a typical title of mine with a cover price of $21.95/£15.99, gives me a royalty of $12.80/£7.77 per book. It does help to focus on a specialist area of publishing where the competition is minimal, but if you have the right product in any genre, you should be able to make a reasonable living at it.

I'll also echo what Sarah and Walton have said about POD. I use both CS and IS and they are both definitely POD companies, even though IS has a lot of other services should you want them.

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Re: [POD OPTIONS] Pages vs Cost of printing my dilemnas

Post by David Wake » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:14 am

KIALea wrote:
Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:16 am
# B&N have launched their POD service which i would make $3.23 per book on sold at $13 on a 100 page book, but i believe perhaps, as a UK cit i have to pay 30% tax on that too??
Er... no. As a UK subject, we have a deal with the US and so don't pay any tax and there's no VAT on books. You do have to declare income and pay tax to the UK inland revenue on that. (Collect receipts to offset this.)

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Re: [POD OPTIONS] Pages vs Cost of printing my dilemnas

Post by KIALea » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:23 pm

Fabulous thanks david. Everything im finding is usually usa related or people in the usa. Its my first book and im no author just a cook :) bit daunting for sure.

What sort of receipts should i keep to offset?

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Post by David Wake » Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:18 am

KIALea wrote:
Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:23 pm
Fabulous thanks david. Everything im finding is usually usa related or people in the usa. Its my first book and im no author just a cook :) bit daunting for sure.

What sort of receipts should i keep to offset?
Actually, you're a citizen of the world. That's our market - everywhere. I find that our group (New Street Authors based in Birmingham) sometimes discuss things in dollars as if we're trading oil. Where are you based? Also, a mate Andy Conway and I have produced a book on indie publishing, Punk Publishing, that has an international and UK outlook.

You should keep all your receipts. Well, anything to do with your work as a writer. So that's a preportion of household bills if you write at home or £4 a week, travel to writing events at cost of train ticket or 45p a mile, part of your email+phone+web bundle, cost of books purchased to sell yourself, pencils, pens, etc. Of course, you must declare all income. (Note: I'm not a tax accountant, so if it goes pear-shaped, you were warned.)

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Re: [POD OPTIONS] Pages vs Cost of printing my dilemnas

Post by KIALea » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:50 am

Thanks David, im in Essex, I work full time 40 hours per week so im not really a full time writer, Ill declair all book incomes, i need to have a proper research if there is a threashold for 2nd incomes etc.

In terms of all those receipts it seems a bit of a faff, but for where you say the cost of books to sell myself? I assume you dont mean i can claim the cost of those back at 4.50 a book for example? im selling for 8.99.

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